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    [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Bacon on Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:46 pm

    Character Ranks are broken into 5 sections: D, C, B, A, S.

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    Basic
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    Average
    Proficient
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    D rank
    -inexperienced
    -starting out

    C rank
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    B rank
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    A rank
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:39 am

    As far as how high the ranks go, with the current manga its very clear that mages can go very far above and beyond simple S rank. I would suggest adding SS, X and perhaps an L rank as well.

    When we talked you mentioned of a struggle between wanting to do ranks and wanting to do stats. For this I suggest a sort of "Focus" system. In this system the normal Mage ranks will apply to every character but also with every character you are able to pick a "focus" meaning something that they personally excel at. For example these focuses could:

    - Strength: Having a focus in strength means that your character is physically stronger than other mages of their rank that do not have a strength focus.

    - Speed: Having a focus in speed means that your character is physically faster than other mages of their rank that do not have a speed focus.

    - Endurance: Having a focus in endurance means that your character is physically more durable than other mages of their rank that do not have an endurance focus.

    - Magic: Having a focus in magic means that your characters magic is more potent in damage than other mages of their rank that do not have a focus in magic. This does not mean that their spells are "stronger" or would trump a mage of equal rank's spell but that, should they land a hit with their spells, they cause a little more damage than a mage who doesn't have a focus in magic.

    - Mana: Having a focus in mana means that your characters mana pool is slightly larger than those of their rank who do not have a focus in mana. Having a focus in mana would allow you to cast more spells per thread without tiring as quickly than those who do not have a focus in mana.



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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Mizuko on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:49 am

    @Sun Wukong wrote:As far as how high the ranks go, with the current manga its very clear that mages can go very far above and beyond simple S rank. I would suggest adding SS, X and perhaps an L rank as well.

    When we talked you mentioned of a struggle between wanting to do ranks and wanting to do stats. For this I suggest a sort of "Focus" system. In this system the normal Mage ranks will apply to every character but also with every character you are able to pick a "focus" meaning something that they personally excel at. For example these focuses could:

    - Strength: Having a focus in strength means that your character is physically stronger than other mages of their rank that do not have a strength focus.

    - Speed: Having a focus in speed means that your character is physically faster than other mages of their rank that do not have a speed focus.

    - Endurance: Having a focus in endurance means that your character is physically more durable than other mages of their rank that do not have an endurance focus.

    - Magic: Having a focus in magic means that your characters magic is more potent in damage than other mages of their rank that do not have a focus in magic. This does not mean that their spells are "stronger" or would trump a mage of equal rank's spell but that, should they land a hit with their spells, they cause a little more damage than a mage who doesn't have a focus in magic.

    - Mana: Having a focus in mana means that your characters mana pool is slightly larger than those of their rank who do not have a focus in mana. Having a focus in mana would allow you to cast more spells per thread without tiring as quickly than those who do not have a focus in mana.


    I agree with the SS and X ranks, but not the L rank.
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:59 am

    @Mizuko wrote:
    @Sun Wukong wrote:As far as how high the ranks go, with the current manga its very clear that mages can go very far above and beyond simple S rank. I would suggest adding SS, X and perhaps an L rank as well.

    When we talked you mentioned of a struggle between wanting to do ranks and wanting to do stats. For this I suggest a sort of "Focus" system. In this system the normal Mage ranks will apply to every character but also with every character you are able to pick a "focus" meaning something that they personally excel at. For example these focuses could:

    - Strength: Having a focus in strength means that your character is physically stronger than other mages of their rank that do not have a strength focus.

    - Speed: Having a focus in speed means that your character is physically faster than other mages of their rank that do not have a speed focus.

    - Endurance: Having a focus in endurance means that your character is physically more durable than other mages of their rank that do not have an endurance focus.

    - Magic: Having a focus in magic means that your characters magic is more potent in damage than other mages of their rank that do not have a focus in magic. This does not mean that their spells are "stronger" or would trump a mage of equal rank's spell but that, should they land a hit with their spells, they cause a little more damage than a mage who doesn't have a focus in magic.

    - Mana: Having a focus in mana means that your characters mana pool is slightly larger than those of their rank who do not have a focus in mana. Having a focus in mana would allow you to cast more spells per thread without tiring as quickly than those who do not have a focus in mana.


    I agree with the SS and X ranks, but not the L rank.

    That's fine and all~ I basically just meant that it would be a waste to simply stop at S rank Razz but uhh.. what are your thought on the "Focus" system? Things you like? Things you don't like? Things you'd change?
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Ryoshi on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:01 pm

    A rank above X would be good, but it should be named something besides 'L'
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:02 pm

    SSJ!? xD



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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Ryoshi on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:03 pm

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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Mizuko on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:04 pm

    Omega rank? Doesn't that make them sound like they're at the bottom?
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:05 pm

    For the sake of not getting too far off topic im going to stop myself from commenting anymore DBZ stuff for ranks xD but unless you guys see nothing wrong with the focus system, some feedback or ideas would be nice~



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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Ryoshi on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:05 pm

    Or that they're so powerful they could destroy the world
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:29 pm

    @Sun Wukong wrote:When we talked you mentioned of a struggle between wanting to do ranks and wanting to do stats. For this I suggest a sort of "Focus" system. In this system the normal Mage ranks will apply to every character but also with every character you are able to pick a "focus" meaning something that they personally excel at. For example these focuses could:

    - Strength: Having a focus in strength means that your character is physically stronger than other mages of their rank that do not have a strength focus.

    - Speed: Having a focus in speed means that your character is physically faster than other mages of their rank that do not have a speed focus.

    - Endurance: Having a focus in endurance means that your character is physically more durable than other mages of their rank that do not have an endurance focus.

    - Magic: Having a focus in magic means that your characters magic is more potent in damage than other mages of their rank that do not have a focus in magic. This does not mean that their spells are "stronger" or would trump a mage of equal rank's spell but that, should they land a hit with their spells, they cause a little more damage than a mage who doesn't have a focus in magic.

    - Mana: Having a focus in mana means that your characters mana pool is slightly larger than those of their rank who do not have a focus in mana. Having a focus in mana would allow you to cast more spells per thread without tiring as quickly than those who do not have a focus in mana.

    Expanding upon this idea via request, I'll give a brief and hopefully easy to understand explanation of how this would effect things rank to rank. (firm believer in K.I.S.S.) xD

    So lets take a look at the (potential?) mage ranks, we have D, C, B, A, S, SS, and H rank.

    When it comes down to the Focus system within the same ranks (Meaning D rank VS D rank.), Having a focus in one area is like a half-step to the next rank in that particular focus.

    For example: A D rank with a focus on speed faces off against a D rank without a focus in speed. The D rank with a focus in speed will be faster than the D rank without it, but by how much you ask? Well, the D rank with a focus in speed will be categorized as in between a D rank (of normal level speed) and a C rank of normal level speed. For a visual representation:

    D-rank Mage (normal speed)
    D-rank Mage (speed focus)
    C-rank Mage (normal speed)
    C-rank Mage (speed focus)

    Now as you can see, the D rank mage with the speed focus is faster than a D rank without a speed focus but slower than a C rank mage still. The C rank mage with the speed focus is still a whole complete rank in speed above the D rank with speed focus though. The D rank with the speed focus isn't so fast that the D rank without speed focus cannot keep up with him one bit, I would say that it would have to take at least one whole rank to be able to completely out-class someone in any area of focus. Meaning that While the D rank mage with a speed focus wouldn't be completely out-classed in speed by a normal C rank, a C rank with a speed focus could run circles around even the D rank with speed focus.
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Bacon on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:33 pm

    Hm.. Couldn't this also work for 'classes' as well? Similar to what the One Piece sites do? Their character focuses on in particular skin and as they 'buy' and upgrade at a certain level, more abilities unlock.

    Just a thought. Feel free to tear it down ^-^
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Mizuko on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:34 pm

    Combining stats and ranks seems to be getting a bit more complicated than need be. Stats and ranks together create needless confusion, as far as I'm seeing. How on earth is one supposed to easily differentiate between the different types of each rank? It's brain overload, almost. I like the rank system itself, but with the different types of each rank, is there going to be a specific marker to define the difference? Right now, the difference between a speed based D-Rank mage, and a non speed-based D-Rank mage is pretty much nonexistent.
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:36 pm

    Actually im not sure what you mean exactly, I am relatively familiar with the "Classes" on sites like OPRP but I don't remember them allowing you to unlock more abilities as you level up, I remember them as simply being custom classes where you got extra skill points and got to choose what those skills points when to. I believe this was the Occupation system right?



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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:39 pm

    @Mizuko wrote:Combining stats and ranks seems to be getting a bit more complicated than need be. Stats and ranks together create needless confusion, as far as I'm seeing. How on earth is one supposed to easily differentiate between the different types of each rank? It's brain overload, almost. I like the rank system itself, but with the different types of each rank, is there going to be a specific marker to define the difference? Right now, the difference between a speed based D-Rank mage, and a non speed-based D-Rank mage is pretty much nonexistent.

    Well as far as "need to know" information goes, the "Focus" would either go on the character application or the magic application, I would think that is the best place to put it. As far as other people seeing that information, as long as its on something important it's fine because, especially IC, your character wouldn't be able to simply tell if someone is faster or not without first finding out. The system is rather simple however, so long as you are a rank higher than someone you are clearly better, if you are a half a rank higher than someone you simply have the "edge" in that focus and if you are equal..then you are equals.

    Also it won't get much more complicated than this either because every character will have only 1 Focus (possibly a maximum of two via shop purchase) so it just allows each individual to get to gently diversify their character from the normal of "everyone's skills are the same"
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Mizuko on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:45 pm

    Okay, that makes more sense then. I was under the impression that this was going to be a thing per class. Like, D-Class Speed, or D-Class Strength. Seen it done before, and it does NOT work all that well. I'll agree with this then. It seems like a good class system. In this respect, are you trying to make it so that all stats are combined with ranks, or just the one Focus? And if just the on Focus, are the other stats going to be ignored, or considered the same as anybody else's?
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Bacon on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:47 pm

    @Sun Wukong wrote:
    @Mizuko wrote:Combining stats and ranks seems to be getting a bit more complicated than need be. Stats and ranks together create needless confusion, as far as I'm seeing. How on earth is one supposed to easily differentiate between the different types of each rank? It's brain overload, almost. I like the rank system itself, but with the different types of each rank, is there going to be a specific marker to define the difference? Right now, the difference between a speed based D-Rank mage, and a non speed-based D-Rank mage is pretty much nonexistent.

    Well as far as "need to know" information goes, the "Focus" would either go on the character application or the magic application, I would think that is the best place to put it. As far as other people seeing that information, as long as its on something important it's fine because, especially IC, your character wouldn't be able to simply tell if someone is faster or not without first finding out. The system is rather simple however, so long as you are a rank higher than someone you are clearly better, if you are a half a rank higher than someone you simply have the "edge" in that focus and if you are equal..then you are equals.

    Also it won't get much more complicated than this either because every character will have only 1 Focus (possibly a maximum of two via shop purchase) so it just allows each individual to get to gently diversify their character from the normal of "everyone's skills are the same"

    But would I work similar to 'Occupations' within One Piece sites? For example, if I wanted to 'focus' on speed, I'd put it in a section of the app. From there, have an 'occupation' ability. For example, for speed, I'd be able to successfully 'dodge'  any level spell once a thread. Or for, let's say a mana focus, an 'occupation' ability would be 'able to use any low rank spells without the use of mana.' Stuff like that. Is that what you're thinking or am I thinking something else? >.>
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:50 pm

    @Mizuko wrote:In this respect, are you trying to make it so that all stats are combined with ranks, or just the one Focus? And if just the on Focus, are the other stats going to be ignored, or considered the same as anybody else's?

    So out of the 5 Different things you can choose to focus on, you are allowed to pick 1 (and possibly buy 1 more later on) and once you have done that it sticks with you through all levels. So say I pick Mana as my focus when im D rank, even as an S rank my focus is still mana. As for the others, yes they would be considered on the same level as everyone else which is why I keep hinting at the fact that via some sort of means I believe you should be able to gain a second Focus so you can have two stats which make you stand out from a crowd.



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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Zed The Workaholic on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:50 pm

    If what I am getting at is you want this in a naruto stat base system where the user can be a High Rank mage but certain stats could or could not be equal to their actual rank like say Speed is B but Strength is A so if they fought someone with a Speed of A but strength of B they would be slower than the opponent but stronger in terms of rank making the battle less prone to Meta and the like?



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    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:52 pm

    Serenity wrote:But would I work similar to 'Occupations' within One Piece sites? For example, if I wanted to 'focus' on speed, I'd put it in a section of the app. From there, have an 'occupation' ability. For example, for speed, I'd be able to successfully 'dodge'  any level spell once a thread. Or for, let's say a mana focus, an 'occupation' ability would be 'able to use any low rank spells without the use of mana.' Stuff like that. Is that what you're thinking or am I thinking something else? >.>

    Myself personally I am not a fan of pairing stats and stat levels with abilities mainly because then you'd have to greatly expand upon this (reminds me of how elder scroll skills work xD) but im sure we could figure something out like that, if that is something that you really want to do.
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:54 pm

    Zed wrote:If what I am getting at is you want this in a naruto stat base system where the user can be a High Rank mage but certain stats could or could not be equal to their actual rank like say Speed is B but Strength is A so if they fought someone with a Speed of A but strength of B they would be slower than the opponent but stronger in terms of rank making the battle less prone to Meta and the like?

    No, lets say for instance you are an S rank. Without focus, all your stats are simply whatever the S rank stats are. With the focus system added in you are now able to choose one focus meaning that, say you chose strength? All your stats are S rank except for your strength, your strength is technically S rank and a half.
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    Post by Zed The Workaholic on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:58 pm

    that seems rather. . .monotonous



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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:59 pm

    How so? This is also why I keep suggesting that there should be allowed a total of two focus's. That was someone could either put a double focus on one thing, effectively raising them a whole rank in something or having two different ones. And in depth stat system becomes too complicated and an extreme hassle plus, using ones rp skill is also a good way to make or break a battle of "stat-wise" even skill.
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Mizuko on Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:05 pm

    The Occupation thing seems a bit complicated, in away. Also, this is a FT site, not a One Piece one, so things are bound to be different. One Piece doesn't focus so much on inate ability as FT does, and so it'll have more item basing than FT sites would need.
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    Re: [WIP] Character Ranks

    Post by Sun Wukong on Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:09 pm

    I rather agree with Mizuko on this one, makes a good point about it.



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